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PrintStanding Stone: Hallowed Ground
News Type: Event — Fri Nov 7, 2008 9:59 PM EST
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They say the only hallowed ground in New York city is beneath the shadows cast from the twin foot prints still vivid in memory.
So in the Bright sun light were the shadows once fell I raise my voice,
one among many in open defence of this Americas empire city.
America-
You are the new Jew.
Anti-semitison-
A thought supporting the idea that the Jews control unseen conspiracies negatively affecting world events in pursuit of international Zoionistic goals.
The Jew through his imperialistic attitude and racist habits has used capitalism to suck the very life blood and 92% of the German industrial production in to the pursuit of a communist agenda. This statement severed a dual purpose to inflame racial hatred of the Jews and to mobilize a physical response from the repressed populace. The Jew was often times portrayed in photos sucking the blood of Aryan females or in caricatures as lice on the map of Germany. A favorite of Hitler's was the Jew as a leach sucking enormous profits from the nation.
These are examples of familiar anti-Jewish attitudes and slogans expressed in the 1930s. Intelligent men have now acknowledged this as Nazi propaganda in search of a final solution. Now in this the year of our lord 2008 an undoubted time of hi-class and recreation most men are civilized but a younger generation are once again being conditioned. Remember the first step in the extermination of a people is to blame them for all that is wrong in the world.
America is a nation who exploits and kills civilians around the world daily.
America with it's hyper-capitalism and imperialist intentions now consumes 87% of the worlds raw materials this racist policy enslaves native peoples to the corrupt greed endemic in monculturist civilizations.
America invented the AIDs virus as means of genocide against people of color.
These statements also have a dual purpose to inflame racial hatred toward Americans and to mobilize a physical responses from the repressed civilizations and peoples.
In the mid-east posters of Uncle Sam with a hooked nose and fangs suck the blood of Palestinian children.
In American universities snakes branded USA are seen to strangle the world.
America is portrayed as a marauding multinational corporation eating the economies of poor countries like a cloud of locust.
These are examples of the new anti-Americanism- a thought supporting the idea that the Jews control America in to unseen conspiracies negatively affecting world events in pursuit of multinational corporate goals (ie Zionism) as proven in the protocols of the elders of Zion.
America,
ME and YOU are the new JEW. Have you seen Schindler's list?
The capital of the bizzaro worlds America, is new Jerusalem or as Jesse Jackson said more than a decade ago Hyme Town or Jew York. Some Germans were distressed to find as they were told to step in to line the answer to their protest [but I am not a Jew] SS guards would tell them that it was not for them to decide and could you please get your Jew ass back in line.
This inconvenient historic fact should be disconcerting to the human beings who populate Manhattan Island for it represents a once in a lifetime opportunity for a single suicide bomber with the proper suit case to surpass Hitler in a moment. "how small can A.Q.Khan of Pakistan with the help of North Korea and two billion dollars from Iran make a nuke This vast international city by the sea has now become in the eyes of Islamic terrorists and the radical left in our own society a legitimate target that is in fact guilty as charged. Any attack here would not be a final solution only a chilling new beginning. While I identify myself as a Bostonian in this context I love New York. This unfortunately does not change the fact that tens of millions of people around the world will view this genocide on our shores as a slap to the face of the Jew?
ME?
YOU?
in closing I would like to remind all those still reading this that at the time of his Crucifixion Jesus Christ was considered by many in simple terms as one less troublesome JEW
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anti semitism the final solution
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#1 - Fri Nov 7, 2008 10:08 PM EST{"commentId":3973028,"authorDomain":"kpr37"}
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{"commentId":3973207,"authorDomain":"worldknightboy"}
Deja vu? I thought I saw this article earlier, and could have sworn I commented on it already! What to make of that? At any rate, its important to be vigilant against those who hate America and the Jews. The end of days seems like more than just nonsense from the Bible! Nonetheless, please keep love in your heart, kpr37!
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- 5 votes
#2 - Fri Nov 7, 2008 10:31 PM EST{"commentId":3973661,"authorDomain":"kpr37"}
Deja vu? I thought I saw this article earlier,
you did, I seeded it wrong krishna showed me how to do it the right way. thank you krishna
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- 3 votes
#3 - Fri Nov 7, 2008 11:12 PM EST{"commentId":3973824,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}
Looks good now. Excellent article! (good links in comments #1, #1.1, and #1.2 as well).
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- 3 votes
#4 - Fri Nov 7, 2008 11:29 PM EST{"commentId":3974277,"authorDomain":"kpr37"}
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{"commentId":3974888,"authorDomain":"worldknightboy"}
Say, kpr37, perhaps its time to call it a day? Its been quite a week, and so have a good weekend! Wish I could follow you further here, but I must be exhausted myself, as I'm starting to actually believe its all starting to make too much sense! Later!
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":4015150,"authorDomain":"SVForbes"}
Remember the first step in the extermination of a people is to blame them for all that is wrong in the world.
A valid point, IMO.
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":3975405,"authorDomain":"brienamb"}
I would like to remind all those still reading this that at the time of his Crucifixion Jesus Christ was considered by many in simple terms as one less troublesome JEW
This quote is so very true. Jesus was crucified by Romans, and who was in a position to argue with them. I believe the founding Christian fathers stayed away from blaming the Romans out of fear that the Jewish people could be completely murdered off. So they split to safer countries. I don't think the apostles of the time wanted to split with the Judaism. They did want to change it, and add to it, perhaps seeing that so many Jews had been crucified by the Romans. I don't know, just speculation.
This is an excellent article. It can be seen that we are being set up for another 911 by worldwide media and press. Now that we have a new president, one that Muslim radicals believe they can identify with (oy vay), we will see what their reaction will be when he upholds the democratic principals and purpose of the American people.
Any further attacks by Islamic radicals on NYC need to be met with more than an 8 year police action. It needs to be so strong that nothing rises from the ashes.
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- 4 votes
#5 - Sat Nov 8, 2008 2:28 AM EST{"commentId":3976625,"authorDomain":"kpr37"}
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Kpr37,
As I viewed, or heard the youtube presentation I could not help but think about your remarks on Herzl. In Judaism we look for the good in people, and trust in God that will come out. Time and again we get completely screwed by this thinking.
Herzl, having been living in a time when Jews were being classified by their noses, clothing, and religious rituals, did not see how deeply this hatred was until Dreyfus. During the trial, with only superficial evidence, contrived testimony, he was convicted. Herzl realized that Zionism was the only way out. It had to be, I absolutely agree with your statements, he was struck by lightening.
What I don't really understand is Dreyfus seemed to accept his fate, trying to be a good Frenchman. It took others, not Jews, to get involved with his cause and eventually set him free in order to restore what they considered moral values and ethics to French military and civil laws. In the end, he moved away and lived to the end in solitude.
All through history, since the destruction if Israel by the Romans, Jews have lost the will to fight back. This course of action caused Jews to circle the wagons, intermingle only for making a livelihood, choosing instead to be second class citizens, taking the abuse, and at the end of the day go home and be with our families. Not understanding, as you say, our enemies plot against us 24-7, and their plans are to eventually put a literal end/Nazi style holocaust like, to Jews (followed by the rest of the target group they focus on).
Islam's abject treatment of the Christian/Judeo community (including one Islamic sect against another), and the focus on annihilation of our culture, values, and society is part and parcel of their belief/operating system. As so well pointed out by this youtube piece.
The historical references prove absolutely no tolerance of any kind is very well reference back to the actions of Mohammad himself, as many Arab Muslims were killed for voicing their opinions. The entire sector of people presenting liberal thought, any variation on Islamic belief, was murdered by the early Islamic founders leaving no room for liberal thinking. The schism splits between Islamic sects is based on blood ties to Mohammad more than fundamental beliefs (but not completely). And, each has its own agenda for world conquest for Islam.
I certainly think that we are in for another attack at some point in the future. When is hard to say, since Bush has sent troops into Iraq the schism between sects has caused them more to turn on each other than focus on the West, even on Israel (the Israeli pounding of Lebanon regardless of how Hezbollah wants to paint it-as victory-has them more focused on their own political agenda). But it will happen.
The remarks about Christianity and its focus on accepting diversity is absolutely correct. Christians are attacked and murdered in so many Muslim countries yet this is ignored by the major Christian religious groups such as Catholics, Protestants, and Lutherans. Born again Christians are the only ones who recognize this travesty of human behavior, and make any attempts to do something about it (like elect Bush who immediately creates that 8 yr. police action and ignores the real culprits).
No one believed he would have sold out so quickly to world corporations that see only profits but not the intent or murderous actions of Islam. These world corporations are in it for the money and are blinded from understanding the fundamental drive of Islam to destroy them. No matter how their products, television shows, etc. are rejected by Muslim leaders, these fascist corporations only see it as a challenge to move into more major markets.
I also agree that in the end, we will certainly have more wars with Islamic countries. How we choose to fight them, how far we go to get a victory, and put an absolute end to these people who hate us and plot against us to really murder us off or convert us to their ways, will not stop with peace proposals, money, or entertainment. It will take a bloody action so devastating that it puts an end to their desire to war.
We cannot let this 8 year police action, and inability to bring closure and justice to the perpetrators of 911, cause us to be so fatigued with events (which I see happening) that we pull out of Iraq, which will eventually fall to Iran and be added to the darkside of the equation. Then the pressure on Israel, Jews, and Christians all around this planet will be back on our heels leaving us no choice but to defend ourselves in the most powerful way, or die out.
Many who read these posts are going to poo poo this and call it bunk. I would not be surprised as the usual suspects who constantly paint a rosy picture on the face of Islam will be slamming these remarks. So be it, the proof is in the pudding.
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- 5 votes
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{"commentId":3994516,"authorDomain":"worldknightboy"}
I think you are a bigger thinker and philosopher than I am, at least that I can say with confidence! You must still be a young man, lol!
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LOL, you rock so totally, wild-maned young man!
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":4083936,"authorDomain":"brienamb"}
If I am not for myself, who is for me? But if I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?" can I take off my helmet, and let hair fly free -- Hillel, Pirkei Avot 1:14 (kpr)37
God literally lived among the Jewish people for a thousand years, and hung out with Moses the most. Moses, one of our greatest Jewish ancestors, was a living instrument of God. Moses was God’s #1 human being for a long and miraculous period of Jewish history. God walked in the land of Israel; and his presence was spread across Israel like a blanket for more than a thousand years No other monotheistic religion can even come close to making that statement. And we have been punished for it by them for thousands of years, but too bad its true.
At the time of Hillel, Israel was a Roman protectorate. Caesar Augustus appointed Herod as his representative in Jerusalem to run the affairs of state, which was to protect Israel against her enemies. So, the stage was set for the tragedy that was to follow, a few years away.
Many consider Hillel the most authoritative intellect of Jewish thought and consider him as important a leader as Moses. Millions of Jews lived in Israel by his words and decisions. I guess you could compare him to any popularly elected Supreme Ayatollah Sheik President. And, he lived for 120 years when longevity was short and the end usually very unpleasant. He is famous for setting the ethical and moral stage of history with the following quotes:
That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow.
If I am not for myself, who will be for me?
And when I am for myself, what am 'I'?
And if not now, when?"
These are very personal introspections we ask ourselves or most of us used to, as we interacte in a civil society. This is what keeps us civil, and a society. But for many on this eternal planet, does not in the slightest way apply, in fact; it would be a damn right foreign concept and one that would get a citizen put to death, or jailed for live.
What kinds of conflict do you think would come out of this if all of earth’s human societies, tribes, parties, families, and singles did not practice this kind of introspection and its outward manifestations on our worldly and many civilizations, but acted out of self-serving greed and lust for ownership, power, and/or survival. It would be truly a ‘World at War,’ something that I see more and more of all the time in the world.
I am not sure that I do understand some of what you are saying; there is so much variety of noun, adjective, and verb usage. There are many ways to describe civil society. Are we saying, civil in the sense, and essence as: of , by and for a people (of meaning the same). These people believe in living together true patriotic relationships. That to do your duty, harbor a faith to your country (family, people, tribe), with a focus on serving the Lord Our God sense? Sure, rhetorical question. These people made up the gangs you spoke of branched out and eventually formed alliances and merged together. Out of Greece evolved these philosophies of the West, of democracy, markets, trade, culture, relationships.
At some point we have always had that one or two citiy states, or countries ruling the planet’s commercial, and technological worlds in an imperialistic way. From ancient GreeceAmerica; there has been many countries ready and willing to send death and destruction for economic gains. Usually these countries end up being called ruler states. So, in a right you are correct sir, gangs did start our society, however as any entity, it evolves and changes over time. to
The society side of the equation consists of real living people. Human social history can be documented all over the net describing the various and many social systems people have lived by throughout the ages, and the changes. The inhabitants of a civil society consist of family, extended family, neighbors in the faith, and tolerated immigrants, So, who rules does matter, and what you believe in has meaning through out your living life. Huge families could easily grow into small suburb size social systems, add some immigrant blood, become villages, towns, cities, states, etc.
I consider Sparta a member of civil societies even though it was in a perpetual state of war preparedness. It had a patriotism, a faith (not monotheistic though); and, was made up of the same human structure as other civil societies which the above defines. Lycurgus was a Spartan who established sound spiritual foundations of this people. His only equal would have been Moses. After becoming a powerful military, they conquered some neighboring citie states and made some slaves, but not everyone, and they didn’t murder entire villages of women, children, and old people.
Lycurgus brought his people to a spiritual and civil level that held off the Persians in the Battle of Thermopylae. They lost the battle but not the war. Sparta led the Greeks against the Persians at Plataea and destroyed them. These victories allowed Athens to grow its philosophers, and world conquerors, which spread their culture all over the world. I don’t see this on the same level as street gangs, which are not civil societies in the sense of patriotism, and faith.
We could find our original ancestor dna, see what part of it makes us heartless, and turn it off. Then we could work more closely together and get things done, make the remainder of time humanity has on the earth last until the end of time, because what we have is limited even and of itself. .
“let wisdom and reflection find a value in the heart of mankind.”
Each of us is not an island in many ways, we do interact in society. We are lucky that this does not occupy most of our day, unless we are industrious in some way. This is our shared time with civilization, and there are so many brutes to contend with. Sometimes it’s just a small disagreement, belligerence, conflict; this conflict can take place on the personal level (with those you live and work with) all the way to the world stage between ‘superpowers.’
“And you the Left, you are but conditioned by recitation what to think.”
America does have enemies, very bad ones because they take human life as we take lunch. We would be stupid not to see these people because they are before our very eyes. I think most average Americans understand and are concerned by this, because they the ones mostly effected.
We are conditioned by the fascist movie industry in its collusion with government officials, produce war, comedies, romance, and stupid pictures with heroes who produce winning results, and things will be fine. This false impression of reality is twisting our thinking. Americans do not take our culture and civilization seriously as the Spartans did. We cannot defeat terrorism with entertainment and video games as ammunition.
Being social animal we imitate what we see, add some creativity (or not) and interact with each other. Humans are skewed; all messed up on images we see and develop relationships with on television, in the movies, on commercials, in gangster rap, dealing drugs, sports hero role models, sexual and casual relationships, which retards us so deeply in our personal and professional lives.
I am glad you posted the response you did. It gave me a chance to dip into the history of my ancestors, and reflect on the importance in our relationship with ancient civilizations even up to now.
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- 3 votes
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Kpr37, sure you can have the line, so long as you quote and reference it.
Americans do not take our culture and civilization seriously as the Spartans did. We cannot defeat terrorism with entertainment and video games as ammunition.
This is a result of our television and Hollywood media, and mind control government. By keeping us entertained, we are not focused on the day to day events taking place in the market place and on the world stage, by our government representatives. Leaving us open to be used and abused.
Each and every country's government has a way to control the thinking of its people. Some are better at it than others. Some countries forbid books, others access to the internet, limited entertainment programing, public and private school content curriculum, and control of the visual arts.
In America, our government has the good fortune to be in a fascist connection with Hollywood, which makes it easy to win the war on the big screen, even if we are losing in the real world. This makes an analogy similar to living in the Matrix (yes the movie) in many ways. Television never shuts up, it is constantly bombarding us with vocal and visual information. This bombardment helps shape the way we think and act, because as all mammals, we learn through our visual and tactile senses.
Since our avatars are becoming more us, than us, the dilemma we have is being able to tell the difference between reality and fantasy. Our fantasies are being played out at our whim with this technological age, this draws us away from reality on the ground, and skews our understanding of the world around us. We become plastic, and are made malleable by these bombardments such that we begin to imitate art instead of art imitating life. The visual arts of our broadcast and Hollywood media dictates our thinking, consumerism, ethics, morals, and costume.
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- 2 votes
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Quick comment for now, KPR.
Obama is a smart man. I didn't vote for him. But it is nearly impossible to win the nomination in the Democrat party AND say what you think. Having said so little prior to the campaign, that because he was nearly invisible on the national scene prior to the campaign, we were then required to trust him on the basis of Dreams and Hope. Which, I would rather not do.
I also think he is a decent man, as much as one can be a politician and be decent, often pretty impossible to do. That being said, decency, without knowledge, is fertile ground for deciding wrongly. And the unfortunate truth is that naivite in a leader is opporunity for some ugly, murderous testing by our enemies. But also unfortunately, few presidents have a real idea of what they are up against until they take office. I am sure Obama is having that settle over him about now.
He has said a lot of things that have given the wrong kinds of people hope, too, unfortunately. Which might be the foundations for his early testing. It was a political necessity to be Against The War in Iraq, for example. It was a political necessity for him and other Dems to say we should abandon Iraq. That view, taken and held so strongly, might be a problem. But then "acting" on Iran, with no PROOF of nukes, and then with PROOF, acting then a bit late and MUCH more costly in lives, might be impossible because Obama, and Dems, have so neatly tied their own hands.
You just can't win the Democrat nomination without some heavy duty lying to someone.
I read something about Lincoln and his campaign the other day. All of the famous debates with Douglas were about the Senate race two years before he ran for president. Then, in the presidential race, it was considered uncool to go about speechifying. Then, he didn't even vote for himself for president. Not against himself either...he just removed that part of his ballot. But by then the person was known. And the issues were known, and big new issues didn't often blast out of front pages three times daily. A war could have started across the world, and it would take weeks for information to filter in.
Smithsonian Mag, this month.
Well, you can't really run for president without making an ass of yourself, in the way it is done now. Now a president has an extra challenge he doesn't really need, reconciling his real self with the ass on the campaign trail.
Good luck to him, and to us. I have no choice. I HOPE he is better than a lot of his supporters. I already know he is a lot smarter. : )
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- 4 votes
#6 - Sat Nov 8, 2008 8:21 PM EST{"commentId":3997214,"authorDomain":"brienamb"}
Kpr37,
For a 7th grade drop out, your a very bright and introspective fellow. I think that you may have dropped out because no one challenged your intellect and creativity, or provide an environment within which you had an opportunity to grow. This is because of the cookie-cutter approach to education, it is taking the best and the brightest and just because they question the status quo, are pushed out, while the remaining ones become... 'cookied'.
I am going to copy your piece and look it over for a response. I hope this is Ok with you because it deserves some review of which I do not have the time now to give it proper comment.
All the best, thanks for the challenge.
WC
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- 4 votes
#7 - Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:03 AM EST{"commentId":4009191,"authorDomain":"kpr37"}
{"commentId":4009239,"authorDomain":"worldknightboy"}
I value your contribution! It is very worthy of serious consideration!
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- 3 votes
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I think if these people, no I think we should consider our options if they did let off a nuke in the US or Israel.
There should be a response in kind, and this would be one that the world will never forget. Its been decades, since 1945 that America has dropped a nuke on Japan to end WW2, we could end this pretty quickly the same way.
At least we could put an end to Iran, Afghanistan, and parts of Pakistan. There should be no check on world opinion with this kind of action to avenge a like action. If the entire Islamic world wants to put an end to the West, dropping an atomic bomb is not the way to do it.
I give you this, these Ayatollas, Mulahs, and Imams that operate horror under the guise of Islam are twisted through years of radical Islamic doctrination. They, from the age of children, have been stuffed with nonsense on the 12th Imam, the savior Mahdi, as we have of Jesus the Messiah. Neither of which has returned even during the worst of times during WW1 and WW2, and with a lot more opportunities.
At times, I think religion is the opium of the masses, a way to lead people to a trough of some kind to give preachers, imams, rabbis, priests, popes power over civilization and lead it down a prescribed path according to their desires, and their interpretations of 'holy scripture'.
Our God is bigger and stronger then their God!
Our nukes are bigger and badder than their nukes, and we should prove it to them if the need be, and when it happens, and their mahdi does come back, then they will figure it out.
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- 2 votes
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