What a long strange trip it's been: an Irish Pagan's search for "true Islam" in the disinformation age

Any bets on how long until it gets report bombed?

I wrote the article a while ago, after this article (Palestine and Unicorns : what do we "really" know about them ?) did not get, removed. I took the time to add all my links for this one.

bets on how long until it gets report bombed?

this attack article about me, was removed by the newsvine community in about twelve hours

http://cassandraj.newsvine.com/_news/2010/09/03/5042241-yes-i-am-a-proud-muslim I am only left to assume that pride in Islam, leads to (in this case) personal attacks on me.As I was the primary subject of her article.

Free speech is one of the fundamental Principles of the American republic. Criticism of philosophies,religious or other wise, shall not be abridged so as too "soothe the feeling" of those being critiqued.

this is one of her nicer quotes. I have left out the Hitler references, and other wild accusations of somehow wishing her harm.

Perhaps kpr37 is just one ignorant peasant who revels in his self delusions.

I was named about ten times in the article.

I flagged it and reported the author to NV as a malicious user

thank you.I don't think that was a real Muslim woman. I think it was sock puppet

Section Two
The proof of the necessity of killing anyone who
curses the Prophet or finds fault with him

The Qur'an says that Allah curses the one who harms the Prophet in this world and He connected harm of Himself to harm of the Prophet. There is no dispute that anyone who curses Allah is killed and that his curse demands that he be categorised as an unbeliever. The judgement of the unbeliever is that he is killed.

Allah says, "Those who harm Allah and His Messenger, Allah has cursed them in this world and in the Next, and has prepared for them a humiliating punishment." (33:57). He said something similar about those who kill the believers. Part of the curse on them in this world is that they are killed. Allah says, "Cursed they will be. Wherever they are found, they are seized and all slain." (33: 61) He mentions the punishment of those who fight, "That is humiliation in this world for them." (5:45) "Killing" (qatl) can have the meaning of "curse".[6] Allah says, "May the conjecturers be killed!" (51:11) and "May Allah fight them! How they are perverted!" (9:30) i.e. may Allah curse them.

This is because there is a difference between their harming Allah and His Messenger and harming the believers. Injuring the believers, short of murder, incurs beating and exemplary punishment. The judgement against those who harm Allah and His Prophet is more severe - the death penalty.

allah is the imaginary friend, of the long dead (so called) prophet. Just how can either one be harmed ? Real humans are harmed, they are killed by Muslims in defence of Mohammad.

Allah says, "No, by your Lord, they will not believe until they have you judge between them in what they disagree about." (4:65) He removes the badge of belief from those who find an impediment in themselves against accepting the Prophet’s judgement and do not submit to him. Anyone who disparages him is opposing his judgement.

Allah says, "O you who believe, do not raise your voices above the voice of the Prophet and be not loud in your speech to him as you are loud to one another lest your actions fail." (49:3). Such an action only comes about through disbelief and the unbeliever is killed.

Allah says, "When they come to you, they greet you with a greeting which Allah never greeted you with." Then He says, "Jahannam is enough for them, an evil homecoming." (58:9)

Allah says, "Among them are those who harm the Prophet and say that he is all ear," (9:61) and, "Those who harm the Messenger of Allah have a painful punishment." (9:63)

Allah says, "If you ask them, they will say, 'We were only plunging and playing.' Say, 'What, were you then mocking Allah, His signs and His Messenger? Make no excuses. You have disbelieved after your belief."' (9:67-68) The commentators say, "You have disbelieved" refers to what they have said about the Messenger of Allah.

We have already mentioned the consensus. As for the traditions, al-Husayn ibn 'Ali related from his father that the Messenger of Allah said in respect of this matter, "Whoever curses a Prophet, kill him. Whoever curses my Companions, beat him."[7]

from the wearing out his welcome,link

and since Mohammad is Islam, criticism of Islam, is criticism of the prophet.Theo van-Gogh found that out a little late. as did Pim Fortuyn. An angry Islamist killed one and an angry leftist killed the other.the man who murdered Pim Fortuyn said he did so because of the hurt caused by the words, spoken in defence of the tolerant western world. He thought Muslims were denying the rights of others. Gays,Jews the Dutch people in general, so he spoke out. and a leftist murdered him, because others were willing to listen to the truth.

and found them educated and realistic, no spin found. Also your replies are straight forward, and truthful

thank you.

I think that's why "they" get so mad. truth can not be refuted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxFzFIDbKpg

have you read when they plan to open it, 9/11/2011...good timing

thank you, it took longer to put in the link's than it did to write the article

I tried to tell a story in the links as well as the article.

I did forget to tell you that your article is a darn good article

thank you.

Aren't links a pain?

yes,they are

from you first comment

I don't have a problem with century old beliefs

I have a problem with some of them.

I do have a problem with those who distort that belief

what if they are not distorted ? what if that's what is says ?

Al-Azhar University, is the Harvard of the Islamic world. Only after president Obama's historic speech did they concider allowing for the fact, that I just may be worthy of life.

Education Ministry sources reported that the main changes to be made to the curricula involve the elimination of all Koranic verses calling to jihad or the killing of polytheists.

what does Jihad mean ? get smarter here

Hi, I'm Kevin, and as that I am, an Irish pagan. I am considered a polytheist. This, for all of my life time, has made me, in the eyes of 1.5 billion people, which is quite a large percentage of the worlds population. Worthy of death.I thank you all for speaking out as you have done, in support of my right to live my life, without a death sentence upon my head.Not withstanding, the loud and constant liberal progressive support, this revolutionary human rights breakthrough, would not have been possible.

I wish to publicly thank Egypt, for talking a small step in the right direction. Might I humbly also add, people of the Jewish faith, to your list of humans that it is now, or will soon be, forbidden to kill.If you would be willing to talk to, your Jewish neighbours, you will find that they are no bettor or worse, that the Pagans you may soon grant the right to life to.

now on a side note, women are people too, fully developed human people with rights. Please stop cutting off their clitoritis. thank you.

The [custom of] applying the term 'infidel' to the followers of other faiths must be stopped, once and for all. This epithet is very dangerous, and constitutes license to kill [the members of other faiths]...

http://kpr37.newsvine.com/_news/2010/05/08/4258917-hi-im-kevin-i-am-unclean-and-an-infidel-and-i-just-may-be-worthy-of-life-

Hey Kpr37. You were quiet for few weeks

work picked up a little.

The world is soon introduced to the frightening concept, of Islamic Jihad.or it's operational application was now allowed, if not encouraged

We have already mentioned the hijra, Muhammad's journey from Mecca to Medina in the year 622. It is after this event that jihad begins to become an issue.

The new Muslim emigrants to Medina needed a way to maintain their livelihood. They pursued the most expedient course, and began raiding the caravans of the Meccans. This was clearly an aggressive action, as Watt (105) states:

In the raids the Muslims were taking the offensive. Muhammad cannot have failed to realize that, even if the raids were only slightly successful, the Meccans were bound to attempt reprisals. In these little raids, then, he was deliberately challenging and provoking the Meccans. In our peace-conscious age it is difficult to understand how a religious leader could thus engage in offensive war and become almost an aggressor.

Several writers have defended Muhammad's actions for the following two reasons:

1. Everybody did it. In the rough tribal desert culture of seventh-century Arabia, when life was hard and resources were scarce, it was usual for tribes to raid each other's caravans.
2. It was justified revenge. The Meccans made life very difficult for Muhammad and his followers. The Qur'an (47:13, 60:1,9) speaks of Muslims being driven from their homes. Ibn Ishaq (205) reports that some of Muhammad's followers had been beaten. The caravan raiders were only attacking those who attacked them first.

Both these reasons require comment. According to Islam, while Muhammad is not to be worshiped, he is certainly to be emulated. His actions represent what a good human being and spiritual leader should be. Is the behavior of such a role model to be governed merely by a standard of "everybody did it," or should we aspire to something more? Aren't great prophets and spiritual leaders known precisely by their willingness to go against and rise above the values of their society?

Concerning revenge: justified or not, revenge is not self-defense. Both Judaism (Leviticus 19:18) and Christianity (Matthew 5:39) teach that revenge is an invalid motivation. Islam clearly does not. In any case, there can be no credible claim that Muhammad acted only in self-defense.

While inter-tribal fighting was common in Arabia at that time, Muhammad's raids began something new. The early Muslims were not a tribe in the traditional sense. They were united not by blood but by belief. Therefore, when they fought members of any neighboring tribe, the struggle was not between one tribe and another but between believers and nonbelievers. These raids thus began to take on a religious dimension.

Watt (108) describes how these raids became the first jihad:

Thus, whether Muhammad incited his followers to action and then used their wrongs [wrongs committed against them] to justify it, or whether he yielded to pressure from them to allow such action, the normal Arab practice of the razzia [raid] was taken over by the islamic community. In being taken over, however, it was transformed. It became an activity of believers against unbelievers, and therefore took place within a religious context. The Emigrants were described as "striving with goods and person in the way of God [Qur'an 4:95, 9:20, 9:41, 9:44]." They were promoting one of the purposes of the Islamic community in trying to establish a region in which God was truly worshipped.

This early jihad became the seed of greater ones to follow (Watt, 108-9):

This transformation of the nomadic razzia has wider implications than are apparent from the English translations used. The word translated "strive" is jahada, and the corresponding verbal noun is jihad or "striving" which came in the course of time to have the technical meaning of "holy war." The change from the razzia to the jihad may seem to be no more than a change of name, the giving of an aura of religion to what was essentially the same activity. Yet this is not so. There was a change in the activity which came to be of the utmost importance as time went on. A razzia was the action of a tribe against another tribe. Even if two tribes were very friendly, their friendship might cool, and in a few years a razzia might be possible. Jihad, however, was the action of a religious community against non-members of the community, and the community was expanding. If members of the pagan tribes raided by the Muslims professed Islam, they at once became exempt from further Muslim raids. Consequently, as the Islamic community grew, the raiding propensities of the Muslims had to be directed ever further outwards.

It was this "religious" character of the jihad which channelled the energies of the Arabs in such a way that in less than a century they had created an empire which stretched from the Atlantic and the Pyrenees in the West to the Oxus and the Punjab in the East.

It seems certain that without the conception of the jihad that expansion would not have happened. (emphasis added)

there were so many links, this one may have been overlooked.

THE CHANGE IN MOHAMMAD'S

PERSONALITY

Unimportant or seemingly unimportant events have often changed the course of history. They had decisive effects, for example, on the careers of Napoleon and Hitler.

The Prophet Mohammad's emigration to Yathreb was seemingly a minor local affair, but actually the start of a great transformation of Arab fortunes and world history. The ensuing developments provide a wide field of study for scholars seeking to ascertain the causes, correlations, and latent social factors.

Of all these problems, perhaps the most interesting and certainly the most striking is the change of the personality of one of the great makers of history. In this particular case, change of personality is an unsatisfactory term; emergence of Mohammad's inner self would be a more nearly accurate description. The hejra started a great historical transformation, but also followed from {P# 80} a transformation of Mohammad's personality which requires meticulous psychological and spiritual analysis.

Mohammad was devout and free from the vices of his time. He pictured the end of the world and the day of judgement as near at hand. With his thoughts fixed on the hereafter, he implored his Meccan compatriots to revere the Lord of the Universe, and condemned violence, injustice, hedonism, and neglect of the poor. Like Jesus, he was full of compassion. After the move to Madina, however, he became a relentless warrior, intent on spreading his religion by the sword, and a scheming founder of a state. A Messiah was transformed into a David. A man who had lived for more than twenty years with one wife became inordinately fond of women.

In the view of the English novelist H. G. Wells, human beings undergo constant change, but on account of the slowness and imperceptibility of the process we persist in imagining fifty-year olds to be the same persons as they were in their twenties when in fact they have gradually but thoroughly changed. In so far as the vital faculties decline while the mental faculties are brought to their peak through experience, study, and reflection, this theory is sound. Normally the main difference between a twenty-year-old and a fifty-year-old is that the former has strong physical and emotional desires while the latter has had time to gain experience and learn to think.

Useful though this theory may be, it is not always right, and in the case of Mohammad it is wrong. After the move to Madina at the age of 53, i.e. at an age when most men's physical and emotional faculties are on the wane, a new Mohammad emerged. During his last ten years, which he spent at Madina, he was not the same man as the Mohammad who for thirteen years had been preaching humane compassion at Mecca. The Prophet bidden by God "to warn your tribe, your nearest kin" (sura 26, verse 214) reappeared in the garb of the Prophet intent on subduing his own tribe and on humbling the kinsmen who for thirteen years had mocked him. Shedding the gown of the warner to "the mother town (Le. Mecca) and the people around it" (sura 42, verse 5), he donned the armour of the warrior who was to bring all Arabia from the Yaman to Syria under his flag.

The beauty and melody of the Meccan suras, so reminiscent of the preachings of Isaiah and Jeremiah and evocative of the fervour of a visionary soul, seldom reappear in the Madinan suras, where {P# 81} the poetic and musical tone tends to be silenced and replaced by the peremptory note of rules and regulations.

At Madina orders and rules were issued on the authority of a commander who could allow no infringement or deviation. The penalties prescribed for violation or negligence were very severe.

Ignaz Goldziher⁴⁸attributed this abrupt metamorphosis to an inner drive which Adolf Harnack had described as at once the affliction of supermen and the source of their extraordinary energy. Such a drive makes great men immune to hesitancy, fatigue, and despair, and fearless of obstacles however grave. Nothing else can explain their achievement of feats beyond the power of normal men.

The following quotations will suffice to show that Mohammad's metamorphosis after the hejra is not only attested by the record of events but is also echoed in the different tones of the Meccan and Madinan suras.

In verses 10-12 of the Meccan sura 73 (ol-Mozzamel), the Prophet is bidden,

"Be patient with what they say, and part from them courteously! Leave the deniers, the possessors of wealth, to Me, and give them a little respite! Fetters and hellfire are in Our hands."

In the Tafsir ol-Jalalayn it is stated that this command to part from believers courteously was given before the command to fight and try to kill them;

it would have been more fully true to say that the earlier command was given before the Prophet's rise to power with Awsite and Khazrajite help.

Only when he could rely on the support of men of the swordwas the command to fight unbelievers sent down to him in the Madinan verse 187 of sura 2 (ol-Baqara): "Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out, for persecution is worse than killing!"

The Prophetic Career of Mohammad by Ali dashti not from a link in the article,but from a free on-line book.Who was a Muslim until he wrote this book.

religion has always been about power and control.

not completely true.

Anu, pronounced an-oo, (aka Anann, Dana, Dana-Ana) is the Irish Goddess of
plenty and is the maiden aspect of the Morrigu. She is the Mother-Earth
Goddess and the flowering fertility Goddess. Ireland - Mother Earth; Goddess
of plenty, another aspect of the Morrigu; Great Goddess; greatest of all
goddesses. The flowering fertility goddess, sometimes she formed a trinity
with Badb and Macha. Her priestesses comforted and taught the dying. Fires
were lit for her at Midsummer. Two hills in Kerry are called the Paps of Anu
Maiden aspect of the Triple Goddess in Ireland. Guardian of cattle and
health. Goddess of fertility, prosperity, and comfort. Anu is associated
with the Celts as the mother Goddess of the ancestors, reaching so far back
into time there is very little record of her… externally at least.

She is identified with the Goddess Danu and the Children of Danu (Tuatha De Danaan)
http://www.thesacredpaths.com/village/2008/03/06/anu-celtic-goddess-of-fertility/

kpr, you, sir, are the link-meister.

(LOL) thank you, that took forever.

I asked a well respected newsvine member, if I could write this article,and he told me if I wanted to say what I said,I better back it up with Islamic sources.

If anybody takes the time to open all the links. I think, it tells it's own story. Or I hope it does.

I feel this is an important subject, that as free Americans we can discuss in an open and free manner not constrained by sharia law.

(ps) Professor Jack,where are you.

how did I do ?

EXCELLENT work.

thank you very much.

for a return visit

Crippled by conspiracies and Grievance mongering", will be combined with a link that did not get inserted into the article. Linking them to murder, in the history of the early Ummah and how Infidels, still to this day, face the same circumstances.

that may not be today as I should be going the lawn and other thing around the house.but it is started.

This need to be out there on a much bigger scale

I am open for suggestions.

I cleaned up the article a little last night, and added 12 more hadiths, three videos by Wafta Sultan, and five more links from the tafsir of Ibn Kathir

www.Qtafsir.com

Tafsir is an arabic word تفسير which is derived from the root 'fassara' which means to "explain" or to "expound". It is best understood as 'explanation' or 'interpretation' of the Qur'an.

Tafsir in the language of the scholars means: explanation and clarification.

It aims at knowledge and understanding concerning the book of Allah, to explain its meanings, extract its legal rulings and grasp its underlying reasons. Tafsir explains the 'outer' (zahir) meanings of the Qur'an

Life comes to us, we just make choices. We never have control of any thing. If you want control give it away. Admit mistakes. No one is perfect.

http://www.orderwhitemoon.org/goddess/Danu.html

“Danu rolls in the midst of never-ceasing currents flowing without a rest forever onward”1
The Rig-Veda translated by Ralph T.H. Griffith, 1889. Peter Myers, January 15, 2002

Danu

She is a river,
Her blood flows down across the Land.
Her whispering lips birth her names into the void:
Danu
Danand
Don

Listen to the voice:
Deep as a well that vanishes into the darkness, echoing with secret desires
With sighs that bring both pleasure and pain,
Washing away death with life.

In her arms she carries all lives into the cradle of the Earth:
Embracing our bones,
Like shining pieces of stone.

Perhaps it will convince a few that Islam is not "mis-understood"

Oh yes the political left, or as I like to think of them apologists for evil. they are noticeably absent, ain't they ?

even more frighteningly, they take the Koran as written.

the holy Qur'an is the uncreated word of Allah, eternal in it's perfection and majesty.

Revealed to the "prophet" for the benefit of all mankind, certainly not womankind. (to not recognize the truth, is to wallow in self induced ignorance)

What other way should it be interpreted (LOL)

an interesting article, I just seeded

Is Taking Women in Conflict Allowed Today?

Mubasher Lucman: "Suppose today, if we go to war against Kufr [infidel world] on the Kashmir issue, win it, and bring slave men and women..."

Mohammed Siddiqui: "You should consult religious scholars; they are of the opinion that the countries which have signed the Charter of the United Nations Organization are not permitted to take the citizens of other member countries as slaves."

Mubasher Lucman: "I am talking about the perspective of Islam, not of the UN as the UN is not following Islam."

Mohammad Siddiqui: "Why are you arguing about it?"

Mubasher Lucman: "I am not arguing about it. I am trying to understand it."

[Interruptions...]

Mubasher Lucman: "How are UN and Islam linked?"

Mohammed Siddiqui: "The link between the UN and Islam is that we have been ordered by the Koran to keep our accords. If an accord is not against Islam, we are bound by it."

Allama Zaheer: "Maulana Mohammed Siddiqui has rightly said that we cannot take the citizens of the countries as slaves who have diplomatic relations with us."

Mubasher Lucman: "What if we go to a war against Israel, can we take slaves and concubines as we don't have diplomatic relations with them...?"

"It is Permitted to [Take in War] Concubines [from Israel]"

Allama Zaheer: "Yes, we can. It is permitted to have concubines [from Israel]."

Jewish sex slave women ?

how enticing, for a sexually frustrated young man. Ain't Jihad grand.

So after killing the "Jew" in a justified slaughter, Mohammad sanctified the rape of their wives and daughters

I am wondering how hamas feels about this fatwa ?

Pakistan TV Debate on Concubines and Slavery in Islam

The unchanging nature of Islam....

if Mohammad could kidnap women and rape them.As he did many times(and call it a marriage, this is an inverted reality) ,all Muslims can continue the practice as Mohammad is the perfect man who's code of conduct should be emulated.

It will bring them nerarer to Allah ?

A Middle Eastern journalist has revealed that "one of the most explosive issues in the relations between Christians and Muslims of Egypt is the abduction of Christian Coptic minor girls, to force them to embrace Islam, after humiliating and demeaning them psychologically and morally."

After Failed Attempt of Forced Islamization Egyptian Christian Family Under Siege

Heathen to Pagan

thank you.