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The Bangladesh Genocide : when reporters lack moral fortitude, it often times leads to "dimmitude" ( Honest reporting ) not a chance with the BBC

Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:15 PM EST
world-news, pakistan, india, islam, genocide, bangladesh, sharia-law
By kpr37
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Now, as I understand law enforcement, one of the things that is looked at (in such circumstances) is the  motivation in the commission of said crime.

I will examine one such possible motivation here.To commit such horrific action, humans need a powerful motivation (ideology). What could have been the reasons for such unreasonable actions,and on such dramatic scale.The BBC never properly goes over the true scope of the event.Do you know what happened to the people of Bangladesh  ?(open it and see,warning disturbing photos)

 

From the BBC article and what is left unsaid by (kpr37).

I see far,far too few, speaking for the "millions" of dead.

Ms Priyabhashini

this is a Hindu name,signifying a  non-Muslim,if I am not mistaken.

was 23 at that time, when a group of Pakistani soldiers and their Bangladeshi associates

Pakistani and Bangladeshi Muslims. I make the claim that they are "true believers" from reading this later in the article ( "and five from the Islamist Jamaat-e-Islami party, have been arrested" )

 

 

stormed into her house and dragged her away.

At this point she became the "property" or "Booty" of the group who took her, in a theocratic sense as explained in  (Quran  4;24) as well as (23;5-6) (24;33) and a few others.In  the reliance of the traveler (a guide to sharia law) it says on page 276.

@O9.13When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of

capture, and the woman's previous marriage is immediately annulled.

 

we have a similar circumstance in Africa(Dar-fur)

 Her husband and three children watched helplessly as she was bundled into an army jeep.

Mohammad (the prophet of Islam) did not mind rape .

Muslim :: Book 8 : Hadith 3432

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autasand encounteredtheenemyand fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace teuponhim) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).

The Bangladeshi woman is a polytheist, in a theocratic sense.

For seven months, she was repeatedly raped and tortured at an army camp in the capital Dhaka, she says.

Freedom of religion shall not be abridged,(in a theocratic Islamic sense ?) I say ,we most reconsider some widely held assumptions!

On just what is,and what is not, a legitimate practice of  a "religion" 

"I was subjected to extreme physical and mental torture. They had no mercy. Many of my friends and relatives were killed in front of me," she said.

Quran (48;29)

(29. Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. And those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves

Severe, is a apt description of events.I would have added atrocities.Making it "severe atrocities" but that's just me.

"It is heartening to see, 40 years after those atrocities, that some of those responsible for those gruesome acts are in the dock," Ms Priyabhashini said.

it's a nice thought, but those responsible for the genocide will never see a courtroom.(only participants)

Bangladesh is yet to come to terms with its violent birth in 1971, after the Pakistani government sent in its army to stop was what was then East Pakistan from becoming independent.

The Islamic republic of Pakistan was dealing with rebellion.an Un-Islamic event.(see rida war)

Suspected collaborators were sometimes killed by their captors.It is not exactly clear how many people died, but official figures estimate that more than three million people were killed and hundreds of thousands of women raped during the nine-month bloody battle.The minority Hindu community was particularly targeted.

Many Hindus were even forcibly converted to Islam.

 

They did have the option of death.So to call it forced, would be technically incorrect.

(end of my comment on the BBC article)

 

 

This possible motivation will never be looked in to.It will never be investigated.

In the Ninth century the Pact of Umar, outlawed non-Muslims from learning the Quran.Many in America seem to have the same objective.Now I could be right, or wrong ? I make mistakes all the time, and will continue to do so.But to dismiss the possible connection between the text sourced here ,and actions of those who are true "believers", in said text,seem to be dismissing reality.

 

A modern day "pact of Umar" (in the here and now) is endorsed by CAIR , so as to keep non-Muslims from looking at Islamic ideology.As reading it, may motivate them (non-Muslims) to take corrective (preventative) measures. Thereby denying Islam it's "divine"  right to subjugate Non-Muslims.See Quran (9;29)

 

Co-sponsored by Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-CT) and Rep. Peter King(R-NY), each bill (S.1546 and H.R.3116) seeks to create a new coordinator position within the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to direct efforts on “counter[ing] homegrown violent Islamist extremism” with particular focus on the “ideology of Al Qaeda and its affiliated groups” in the United States.

 (Source)

This is opposed by CAIR

CAIR has urged AmericanMuslims and other people of conscience to contact their elected representatives to request the removal of problematic language in two pending Department of Homeland Security Reauthorisation Acts that single out American Muslims for additional scrutiny over the threat of violent extremism in the United States.

who is CAIR and what do they want.

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."

 

  • Omar M. Ahmad, Chairman of the Board, Council on American-Islamic Relations(CAIR), at the Islamic Conference in Freemont, California, (July 1998), as quoted in "American Muslim leader urges faithful to spread Islam's message: by Lisa Gardliner, in The San Ramon Valley Herald (4 July 1998).

 

What is the motivating factor of Al Qaeda and its affiliated groups, that should not be countered by the American government ?

It would be helpful to read his statements.Osama Bin Laden statement, here he leads off with the Verse of the sword.From reading that,and the rest of his statements,one would be hard pressed to dismiss his motivation as anything less that being based in the ideology of submission (Islam)

 

English translation of the document made public by Al-Ansaar News Agency ---------------------------------------------------------

Exposing the New Crusader War - Usama Bin Laden -February 2003

Praise be to Allah, then again Praise be to Him, who revealed the Verse of the Sword to His servant and His Messenger (SAWS) in order to establish the Truth and to eradicate Falsehood.

So Praise be to Allah who says:

"Then when the Sacred Months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform Salah and give Zakah, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (Quran 9:5)

And Praise be to Allah who says:

"Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you Victory over them and healthehearts of a believing people." (Quran 9:14)

 

 

 letter to the American people (full text) here you most scroll down three quarters of the way down the page to find the verse of the sword.You can look here  for  the verse in this link (verse of the sword) with commentary by me.

 

 

fight this ideology (Islam) not  with bullets, but with confronting the ideas in support of the ideology, in an open and free debate.

 

let us see if the "Pen" (computer keyboard) is mightier than the "sword" (AK-47) or verse 5 of chapter 9 in the "holy" quran.

 

written by Kevin Padig O'Raghailleah "black Irish" Pagan, tuatha De Danann (child of the goddess Danu) from Tuath i nGaoth Dobhair, Gael. (now a little west of Boston)

 

 

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"life is not rational"

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:17 PM EST
kpr37

In his testimony, he said he along with one Krishna Saha and Dr Ganesh Saha was converted to Islam in a mosque. He was given a Muslim name and Krishna Saha was given the name Ali Akbar.

He said even converting to Islam did not save Krishna Saha. He was killed within days, he said.

“Delawar had told us: 'You'll live if you become Muslims; otherwise you'll die',” the witness said.

there is no compulsion to religion in Islam ?

Once the Liberation War ended, the witness returned to his original religion while Dr Ganesh Saha, who also had to convert to Islam, fled to India.

The witness told the court that months after his wife was raped, she gave birth to a girl in the Bengali month of Agrahayan.

“People used to insult my wife,” he said.

The witness asked his brother-in-law for advice on what they could do. “He said, 'Let me take her to India.' And my wife went to India,” the witness said.

“I haven't seen her since. I don't know where she is. I did not remarry,” he told the court.

Earlier, the witness had said, “Danesh Mollah, Sekander Sikder, Moslem Maulana, Atahar Ali and Delawar” formed the peace committee in Parerhaat of Pirojpur during the Liberation War.

Besides the peace committee “they” also formed the razakar [collaborators'] force, he said.

“He used to introduce himself as Delawar Sikder,” said the witness. “I did not hear it before, but now I hear he calls himself Sayedee.”

Recalling the days of 1971, he said he and others used to hide whenever the collaborators went to their village.

One day, he recalled, nine people were abducted from his village Hoglabunia. They were never to be seen again.

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=220891

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 9:36 AM EST
kpr37

Ethnic Cleansing In Bangladesh

By Rahul Gupta

Vanishing Minority Population

Hindus comprised nearly 30% of the total population in Bangladesh in 1947. After the exodus of minorities following the partition of India in 1947, the hindu population went down to about 22% by 1951. Due to unabated persecution, intimidation, and forcible conversion to Islam, the Hindu-Minority population kept on dwindling and now stands at a meager 10.5% of the total population in Bangladesh (1991 census).

Interesting to note that minority Muslim population in adjoining West Bengal (India) showed a positive growth rate and according to 1991 Census, stood at nearly 24% of the total population from only about 12% in 1947.

http://www.mukto-mona.com/human_rights/ethnic_clensing_Bangladesh.html

    #1.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:38 AM EST
    kpr37

    Since moving to the UK in the early 1970s, Mr Mueen-Uddin has taken British citizenship and built a successful career as a community activist and Muslim leader.

    killing non-muslims or apostates, means he is closer to the example of the perfect man (Mohammad) that all true Muslims should attempt to emulate. Making him an example, or leader worthy to follow.There is not now, nor ever in history, been an Islamic leader who was respected, and preached tolerance and equality with competing systems of belief.

    In 1989 he was a key leader of protests against the Salman Rushdie book, The Satanic Verses.

    he opposes free speech.

    Around the same time he helped to found the extremist Islamic Forum of Europe, Jamaat-e-Islami's European wing,

    Jamaat-e-Islami, were the religious volunteers who actively participated in the slaughter of non-observant Muslims, and non-Muslim Hindus,killing upwards of three Million humans in around one year in Bangladesh

    which believes in creating a sharia state in Europe and in 2010 was accused by a Labour minister, Jim Fitzpatrick, of infiltrating the Labour Party.

    is it insanity, or diversity, that lets a religious party with a history of genocide take part in a secular democracy

    http://kpr37.newsvine.com/_news/2012/04/15/11209375-leading-british-muslim-leader-faces-war-crimes-charges-in-bangladesh-telegraph?threadId=3395052&commentId=64641293#c64641293

      #1.3 - Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:54 AM EDT
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      Grisham

      It's not really the BBC. Religion has always had a sacred shield surrounding it. It's nearly impossible to question it without being called a bigot. Even when you're not called a bigot, there are the fail safe outs like 'they're not real Muslims' or 'it's the people not the religion' or my favorite ' you can't prove God doesn't exist'.

      It's a tradgedy what happens in these countries. I don't know if it's the people or the religion but it's safe to say that religion isn't the answer and doesn't guarantee good behavior.

      Good article!

      • 4 votes
      Reply#2 - Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:36 PM EST
      kpr37

      Good article!

      thank you

      I do really believe this

      fight this ideology (Islam) not with bullets, but with confronting the ideas in support of the ideology, in an open and free debate.

      • 5 votes
      #2.1 - Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:39 PM EST
      Grisham

      I think the same could be said about any religion. It should be scrutinized and questioned the same as any other idea. Maybe even more so since it literally impacts almost every area of our society.

      • 4 votes
      #2.2 - Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:48 PM EST
      kpr37

      I think the same could be said about any religion.

      Sorry,I don't view that as a factual statement.Do you have an example ?

      I am a traditional Irish pagan, a fundamentalist really (classic Greek "pagan" school of the Cynic ) when is the last time you heard of a virgin sacrifice ?

      It should be scrutinized and questioned the same as any other idea. Maybe even more so since it literally impacts almost every area of our society.

      The only thing that comes to mind, is L Ron Hubbard,in contemporary American "religion" that comes close to the theocratic principles (school of thought) of submission (Islam)

      When there are over a billion members of Scientology,I will source this better.(LOL) for now you have to accept this as what it is.

      excerpts from the book:Bare-Faced Messiah.

      1.While Hubbard (L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology) was skirmishing with the FBI, he was also tightening his grip on the Scientology movement and urging his followers to take action against anyone attempting to practise Scientology outside the control of the 'church'. He derided apostates as 'squirrels' and recommended merciless litigation to drive them out of business. 'The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause his professional decease,' he wrote in one of his interminable bulletins, casually adding, 'If possible, of course, ruin him utterly.'

      In the same bulletin he offered the benefit of his advice to any Scientologists unlucky enough to be arrested. They were to instantly file a $100,000 civil damages suit for molestation of 'a Man of God going about his business', then go on the offensive 'forcefully, artfully, and arduously' and cause 'blue flames to dance on the courthouse roof until everybody has apologized profusely'. The only way to defend anything, Hubbard wrote, was to attack. 'If you ever forget that, you will lose every battle you are ever engaged in.' It was a philosophy to which he would adhere ardently all his life...

      2.The same month as the Freedom Congress, the Central Intelligence Agency opened a file, No. 156409, on L. Ron Hubbard and his organization. CIA agents trawled through police, revenue, credit and property records to try and unravel Hubbard's tangled corporate affairs. It was a task of herculean difficulty, for the Church of Scientology was a cryptic maze of ad hoc corporations. The printed notepaper of the Academy of Scientology gave only a hint of its labyrinthine structure — on the left-hand side of the page was a list of no less than seventeen associated organizations, ranging from the American Society for Disaster Relief to the Society of Consulting Ministers.

      Agents traced a considerable amount of property owned either by Hubbard, his wife, son, or one of the daunting number of 'churches' with which they were associated, but the report quickly became bogged down in a tangle of names and addresses: 'TheAcademy of Religious Arts and Sciences is currently engaged as a school for ministers of religion which at the present time possesses approximately thirty to forty students. The entire course consists of $1500 to $1800 worth of actual classroom studies...The public office is located at 1810-12 19th Street N.W. The corporations rent the entire building...

      'The Hubbard Guidance Center, located at 2315 15th Street, N.W., occupies the entire building which consists of three floors and which was purchased by the SUBJECT Organization. The center also rents farm property located somewhere along ColesvilleRoad in Silver Spring, Maryland, on a short-term lease. The center formerly operated a branch office at 8609 Flower Avenue, Silver Spring, Maryland. In addition to the Silver Spring operation, the center has a working agreement with the Founding Church of Scientology of New York, which holds classes at Studio 847, Carnegie Hall, 154 West 57th Street, New York City. Churches of this denomination number in excess of one hundred in the United States...'

      3.While he was still in Melbourne, Hubbard received an urgent telephone call from Washington with some bad news. Nibs (Hubbard's son), he was told, had 'blown'. To Scientologists, 'blowing the org' (leaving the church) was one of the worst crimes in the book: it was almost unbelievable that the highly-placed son and namesake of the founder would take such a step. Nibs had simultaneously held five posts in Scientology's increasingly cumbersome bureaucratic structure: he was Organizational Secretary of the Founding Church of Scientology, Washington, DC; Chief Advanced Clinical Course Instructor; Hubbard Communications Office World Wide Technical Director; and a Member of the International Council.

      [Nibs] failed to take into account the fact that his father would automatically view his defection as an act of treachery...

      4.Returning to a familiar theme, Hubbard urged his followers to defend Scientology by attacking its opponents: 'If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to sue for peace...Don't ever defend, always attack. Don't ever do nothing. Unexpected attacks in the rear of the enemy's front ranks work best

      As far as I know be-headings, are not endorsed (yet)

      • 4 votes
      #2.3 - Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:43 PM EST
      Grisham

      Sorry,I don't view that as a factual statement.Do you have an example ?

      You're right. I don't know enough about Irish Paganism to even make a comment on that religion. I was more talking about the big three - Christianity, Islam and Judaism. Those are the three that really dominate our societies, shape our laws and way of life.

      Thanks for that link. I've never been a fan of Scientology. I guess that's just one more reason.

      • 3 votes
      #2.4 - Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:08 PM EST
      kpr37Deleted
      kpr37

      http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Kissinger/Bangladesh_TOHK.html

      The Trial of Henry Kissinger

      by Christopher Hitchins

      Verso Press, 2001

      p44

      Bangladesh

      By 1971, the word "genocide" was all too easily understood. It surfaced in a cable of protest from the United States consulate in what was then East Pakistan - the Bengali "wing" of the Muslim state of Pakistan, known to its restive nationalist inhabitants by the name Bangladesh. The cable was written on 6 April 1971 and its senior signatory, the Consul General in Dacca was named Archer Blood. But it might have become known as the Blood Telegram in any case. Also sent directly to Washington, it differed from Morgenthau's document in one respect. It was not so much reporting on genocide as denouncing the complicity of the United States government in genocide. Its main section read thus:

      "Our government has failed to denounce the suppression of democracy. Our government has failed to denounce atrocities. Our government has failed to take forceful measures to protect its citizens while at the same time bending over backwards to placate the West Pak[istan] dominated government and to lessen any deservedly negative international public relations impact against them. Our government has evidenced what many will consider moral bankrupt, ironically at a time when the USSR sent President Yahya Khan a message defending democracy, condemning the arrest of a leader of a democratically-elected majority party, incidentally pro-West, and calling for an end to repressive measures and bloodshed.... But we have chosen not to intervene, even morally, on the grounds that the Awami conflict, in which unfortunately the overworked term genocide is applicable, is purely an internal matter of a sovereign state. Private Americans have expressed disgust. We, as professional civil servants, express our dissent with current policy and fervently hope that our true and lasting interests here can be defined and our policies redirected."

      This was signed by twenty members of the United States diplomatic team in Bangladesh and, on its arrival at the State Department, by a further nine senior officers in the South Asia division. It was the most public and the most strongly worded demarche from State Department servants to the State Department that has ever been recorded.

      The circumstances fully warranted the protest. In December 1970, the Pakistani military elite had permitted the first open elections for a decade. The vote was easily won by Sheik Mujibur Rahman, the leader of the Bengali-based Awami League, who gained a large overall majority in the proposed National Assembly. (In the East alone, it won 167 out of 169 seats.) This, among other things, meant a challenge to the political and military and economic hegemony of the Western "wing." The National Assembly had been scheduled to meet on 3 March 1971. On 1 March, General Yahya Khan, head of the supposedly outgoing military regime, postponed its convening. This resulted in mass protests and nonviolent civil disobedience in the East.

      On 25 March, the Pakistani army struck at the Bengali capital of Dacca. Having arrested and kidnapped Rahman, and taken him to West Pakistan, it set about massacring his supporters. The foreign press had been preemptively expelled from the city, but much of the direct evidence of what then happened was provided via a radio transmitter operated by the United States consulate. Archer Blood himself supplied an account of one episode directly to the State Department and to Henry Kissinger's National Security Council. Having readied the ambush, Pakistani regular soldiers set fire to the women's dormitory at the university, and then mowed the occupants down with machine guns as they sought to escape. (The guns, along with all the other weaponry, had been furnished under United States military assistance programs.)

      Other reports, since amply vindicated, were supplied to the London Times and Sunday Times by the courageous reporter Anthony Mascarhenas, and flashed around a horrified world. Rape, murder, dismemberment and the state murder of children were employed as deliberate methods of repression and intimidation. At least ten thousand civilians were butchered in the first three days. The eventual civilian death toll has never been placed at less than half a million and has been put as high as three million. Since almost all Hindu citizens were at risk by definition from Pakistani military chauvinism (not that Pakistan's Muslim co-religionists were spared), a vast movement of millions of refugees - perhaps as many as ten million - began to cross the Indian frontier. To summarize, then: first, the direct negation of a democratic election; second, the unleashing of a genocidal policy; third, the creation of a very dangerous international crisis. Within a short time, Ambassador Kenneth Keating, the ranking United States diplomat in New Delhi, had added his voice to those of the dissenters. It was a time, he told Washington, when a principled stand against the authors of this aggression and atrocity would also make the best pragmatic sense. Keating, a former senator from New York, used a very suggestive phrase in his cable of 29 March 1971, calling on the administration to "promptly, publicly, and prominently deplore this brutality." It was "most important these actions be taken now," he warned "prior to inevitable and imminent emergence of horrible truths."

      Nixon and Kissinger acted quickly. That is to say, Archer Blood was immediately recalled from his post, and Ambassador Keating was described by the President to Kissinger, with some contempt, as having been "taken over by the Indians." In late April 1971, at the very height of the mass murder, Kissinger sent a message to General Yahya Khan, thanking him for his "delicacy and tact."

      We now know of one reason why the general was so favored, at a time when he had made himself - and his patrons - responsible for the grossest war crimes and crimes against humanity. In April 1971, a United States ping-pong team had accepted a surprise invitation to compete in Beijing and by the end of that month, using the Pakistani ambassador as an intermediary, the Chinese authorities had forwarded a letter inviting Nixon to send an envoy. Thus there was one motive of realpolitik for the shame that Nixon and Kissinger were to visit on their own country for its complicity in the extermination of the Bengalis.

      p50
      Kissinger had received some very bad and even mocking press for his handling of the Bangladesh crisis, and it had somewhat spoiled his supposedly finest hour in China. He came to resent the Bangladeshis and their leader, and even compared (this according to his then aide Roger Morris) Mujib to Allende.

      As soon as Kissinger became Secretary of State in 1973, he downgraded those who had signed the genocide protest in 1971.

      p50
      In November 1974, on a brief face-saving tour of the region, Kissinger made an eight-hour stop in Bangladesh and gave a three-minute press conference in which he refused to say why he had sent the USS Enterprise into the Bay of Bengal three years before. Within a few weeks of his departure, we now know, a faction at the US embassy in Dacca began covertly meeting with a group of Bangladeshi officers who were planning a coup against Mujib. On 14 August 1975, Mujib and forty members of his family were murdered in a military takeover. His closest former political associates were bayoneted to death in their prison cells a few months after that.

      • 2 votes
      #2.6 - Thu Dec 8, 2011 11:29 AM EST
      kpr37

      60 Hindus forced to 'become Muslims'

      War hero testifies against Sayedee

      Resuming his deposition yesterday, Ruhul Amin Nabin told the International Crimes Tribunal that Jamaat-e-Islami leader Delawar Hossain Sayedee and other collaborators had compelled 60 Hindus to convert to Islam during the Liberation War in Pirojpur. He said they also helped the Pakistani army rape several women in 1971.

      Freedom fighter Nabin, who was 21 years old at the time, said some of the Hindus of Parer Haat area, forced to convert, fled to India as they were unable to deal with the humiliation. They, however, returned after the liberation of Bangladesh and followed their own religion, he said.

      Now 61, Nabin began his deposition Wednesday and resumed and completed giving his testimony yesterday. He is the second prosecution witness to testify against Sayedee, who has been charged with crimes against humanity committed during the 1971 war.

      http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=213400

      You can look here for the verse in this link (verse of the sword) with commentary by me.

      • 2 votes
      #2.7 - Fri Dec 9, 2011 3:01 PM EST
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      kpr37

      Sorry I had to edit.

      You're right. I don't know enough about Irish Paganism to even make a comment on that religion.

      first link is to a source of "common" Pagan, pre-christian Irish laws.I think you might find it interesting.( the Laws of the children of Danu) the Tuatha De' (children of g*d) in Irish gaelic.

      http://www.irish-society.org/home/hedgemaster-archives-2/history-events/the-brehon-laws

      In ancient Ireland, under Brehon Law, the lowest clansman stood on an equal footing with his chieftain. For example, it is recorded that when several Irish Kings visited Richard II in Dublin, the Irish kings sat down to dinner with their minstrels and entire retinue as was their custom. The English were appalled by such a display of egalitarianism and soon rearranged things so that the Irish royalty ate separately from the rest of their attendants. The Irish gave in to this demand of the English in order to be courteous guests even though it went very much against their inclination and custom.

      Never change your customs for your guests.it does not work out in the long run.

      a short history of Ireland

      This second link has three of my comments on paganism, each one much longer than this article.

      http://iqballatif.newsvine.com/_news/2011/11/14/8796371-lessons-from-the-school-of-athens-that-qom-and-al-azhar-need-to-learn

      • 3 votes
      Reply#3 - Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:30 PM EST
      Grisham

      Iqbal is one of my favorite authors on NV. Thanks for the links. I love reading up on different religions.

      • 2 votes
      #3.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:55 AM EST
      Reply
      kpr37

      in an effort to build a Prima faceai case

      It is used in modern legal English to signify that on first examination, a matter appears to be self-evident from the facts. In common law jurisdictions, prima facie denotes evidence that – unless rebutted – would be sufficient to prove a particular proposition or fact. The term is used similarly in academic philosophy.

      I now present in to evidence exhibit ( 1 ) in my contentions.

      now I understand newsvine this is not an article about Israel killing Hamas terrorists, committed to Israel's destruction.( I mean the 1300 women and children killed,Israel never killed a terrorist in operation cast lead) is sarcasm

      but three million dead, should draw some attention.

      this is from the link on the right hand side here (Bangladesh). labeled Collaborators and war criminals

      The term Razakar is originally derived from an Arabic word meaning volunteer. In the context of Islamic history Razakars were volunteers to defend or support Islam.

      This would support my contention that religious motivations,played a part in the slaughter.

      But in Bangladeshi context Razakar means traitors or collaborators of the Paki army who helped them, in our liberation war in 1971, in identifying and killing millions of Bangalees involved in or even supporting the liberation war. The Razakars were mainly the members of Muslim league, Jamat-e-Islam and other Islamic groups and factions.

      We can see just who, is "struggling" or Jihading, or striving in the way of allah (jihad fi sabilillah, in it's proper usage, and context), from the highlighted words.

      The Razakars…..should be specially helpful as members of rural communities, who can identify guerrillas (freedom fighters)”, an army officer (Pakistan) said…The government says it has already recruited more than 22,000 Razakars of a planned force of 35,000.’-New York Times, July 30, 1971

      ‘To help control of Bengali population, the army has been setting up a network of peace committees

      You have to love the "Orwellian" usage of the term"peace committees" to reference ( the organisers of a genocide)

      superimposed upon the normal civil administration, which the army cannot fully rely upon. Peace committee members are drawn from …..Beharis and from the Muslim Leagues and Jamat-e-Islami.

      Islam claims to be the religion of peace.They would just wish not understood in the context used here

      The peace committees serve as the agent of army, informing on civil administration as well as on general populace. They are also in charge of confiscating and redistribution of shops and lands from Hindu and pro-independence Bengalis. The peace committee also recruits Razakars……many of them are common criminals who have thrown their lots with the (Pakistan) army.-The Wall Street Jornal, July 27,1971.

      Jamaat leaders collaborated with them [Pakistan army] not only to advance their ideals of Pakistan as an Islamic state, but also to wreak vengeance on people they were at enmity with.

      Referring to the drives against Bangalee freedom fighters, he wrote, “These operations were only a partial success because the West Pakistani troops neither knew the faces of the suspects nor could they read the lane numbers (in Bengali).

      They had to depend on the cooperation of the local people.

      (On the collaboration groups) these patriotic elements were organised into two groups. The elderly and prominent among them formed Peace Committees, while the young and able-bodied were recruited as Razakars (volunteers). The committees were formed in Dacca as well as in the rural areas and they served as a useful link between the Army and the local people.

      The ones unable to participate,organised the systematic murder of three million of there fellow countrymen.The ones capable did the killing.

      In a court of law, I believe this should be a topic of discussion.I can see all of this as a motivating factor.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#4 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:58 AM EST
      kpr37

      Intellectuals,the educated,and free thinkers,those not confined to theocratic thoughts,had to be eliminated.As people such as described are less likely to submit.Islam is the religion of submission.

      Brigadiar Kasem and Captain Kayum were the two key officers in the Pakistan army who coordinated the killings of the intellectuals. They had a meeting with Moulana Abdul Mannan then president of the Madrasah Teachers’ Association sometime in November at Mannan’s residence. This might have been the meeting when the slaughter of the intellectuals were planned.

      According to the confession of one Mofizuddin (driver of the vehicle of death), Ashrafuzzaman Khan, head of the Queens (New York) branch of Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA)

      Ashrafuzzaman Khan is (right now in America) one of the leaders of an American Islamic civil rights movement meant to protect the religious freedom for Muslims.knowing his history.I ask just what rights is he protecting, in the pursuit of his "religion" that he seeks to protect. (source)

      and ex-member of the Central Committee of the Islami Chhatra Sangha and an ex-employee of Radio Pakistan shot seven teachers with his own hands.As a result of Mofizuddin’s confession, the decomposed bodies of these unfortunate teachers were recovered from the marshes of Rayer Bazar and the mass grave at Shiyal Bari at Mirpur. There was a list of 20 teachers and many other Bangladeshis in his diary. His diary included a list of 16 of the Dhaka University teachers who collaborated with the Pakistanis.

      http://www.genocidebangladesh.org/?page_id=36

      • 2 votes
      Reply#5 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:22 PM EST
      kpr37

      According to the confession of one Mofizuddin (driver of the vehicle of death), Ashrafuzzaman Khan, head of the Queens (New York) branch of Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA)

      and ex-member of the Central Committee of the Islami Chhatra Sangha and an ex-employee of Radio Pakistan shot seven teachers with his own hands.As a result of Mofizuddin’s confession, the decomposed bodies of these unfortunate teachers were recovered from the marshes of Rayer Bazar and the mass grave at Shiyal Bari at Mirpur. There was a list of 20 teachers and many other Bangladeshis in his diary. His diary included a list of 16 of the Dhaka University teachers who collaborated with the Pakistanis.

      Others are aware of the identity of the Man,but right now he is free in America,and probably telling the "infidel" how vile we are, and "Islamicophbic" as well.

      DOJ Investigates ICNA Official's Past

      by IPT News • Nov 19, 2009 at 3:44 pm

      http://www.investigativeproject.org/1526/doj-investigates-icna-officials-past

      A former Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) president and secretary general is under federal investigation to determine whether he failed to disclose his history with a paramilitary group when he applied for U.S. naturalization.

      Ashrafuzzaman Khan remains active with ICNA, which was founded to serve South Asian Muslims in the U.S. and follows the extremist ideology of the Jamaat-i-Islami, which advocates for revolution to create an Islamist state in Pakistan.

      According to an online Bangladesh newspaper based in Washington, U.S officials wrote to Bangladesh's State Minister for Home Affairs in September requesting files related to Khan's role in a series of 1971 political murders. The bloodshed came during Bangladesh's fight for independence. The targets included university professors and a journalist. Khan is suspected of war crimes and of carrying out some of the killings. According to the News Bangla report:

      "Ashrafuzzaman Khan's personal diary found in his residence contained the names of more than twenty Dhaka University teachers and staff. Also, the diary contained the names of a few other intellectuals who were either killed or who went missing in 1971."

      Allegations about his role in the Bangladesh murders have dogged Khan for years. The government won't have to prove his guilt in order to try to strip him of his citizenship. It only must show he lied on his application forms when asked to list his past organizational connections. It has worked before.

      The DOJ official making the request is Eli Rosenbaum, longtime director of the department's Office of Special Investigations who hunted Nazi war criminals in the U.S., often using deportation

      http://www.investigativeproject.org/1526/doj-investigates-icna-officials-past

      • 2 votes
      #5.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:32 PM EST
      larrrs

      Good Article kpr.

      According to the confession of one Mofizuddin (driver of the vehicle of death), Ashrafuzzaman Khan,head of the Queens (New York) branch of Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA)

      and ex-member of the Central Committee of the Islami Chhatra Sangha and an ex-employee of Radio Pakistan shot seven teachers with his own hands.As a result of Mofizuddin’s confession, the decomposed bodies of these unfortunate teachers were recovered from the marshes of Rayer Bazar and the mass grave at Shiyal Bari at Mirpur. There was a list of 20 teachers and many other Bangladeshis in his diary. His diary included a list of 16 of the Dhaka University teachers who collaborated with the Pakistanis.

      Others are aware of the identity of the Man,but right now he is free in America,and probably telling the "infidel" how vile we are, and "Islamicophbic" as well.

      Ggggrrr...

      Why the sam-hell does the US keep allowing these murderous freaks into our country?! It's just plain stupid!

      • 2 votes
      #5.2 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 11:44 AM EST
      kpr37

      Why the sam-hell does the US keep allowing these murderous freaks into our country?!

      Diversity ?

      We as a nation were lacking in genocidal Islamists. Many other nations have far too many genocidal Islamists, so we take the overflow.

      • 2 votes
      #5.3 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 11:52 AM EST
      larrrs

      Great, balance that equation huh? Why?

      Tolerance can be so intolerant.

      • 2 votes
      #5.4 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:01 PM EST
      kpr37

      The ICNA are presenting sharia to America in an advertising campaign

      The Islamic Circle of North America, a leading grassroots Muslim Organization is proud to introduce a new and exciting educational venture, The Islamic Learning Foundation (ILF), an educational Islamic institution based in New York. The main objective for ILF is enriching the lives of Muslims in general and Muslim Youth in particular by educating their minds and affecting their hearts with sound knowledge of Islamic Shariah thus deepening their awareness of Islam as a universal and eternal way of living for mankind and providing a new caliber of Muslim leaders.

      http://icnakc.org/Education/

      leaders just like ICNA member Ashrafuzzaman Khan ?http://www.genocidebangladesh.org/?p=418

      • 2 votes
      #5.5 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:17 PM EST
      larrrs

      leaders just like ICNA member Ashrafuzzaman Khan ?http://www.genocidebangladesh.org/?p=418

      Wow!

      Is this creep still in New York?

      • 2 votes
      #5.6 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 3:05 AM EST
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