
I think that the most damaging Islamic source, to only one the many unsupported claims of Islam, can be found in this tafsir. I used wikki as my source for the story of Mohammad and the clan elders placing the black stone in a place of honor in the kabba.( article here )
I saved the tafsir of Ibn Kathir's version of events to refute any allegations that it is incorrect. But it seems, no one really wants to dispute my charge, that the theology of Islam and the claim that 'allah' is the same G*d, who is worshiped by other monotheists is really nothing more than gobbledygook, nonsense, the ramblings of a disturbed mind (Mohammad's) and is not related with a common shared reality. Literally millions of human beings have been murdered, as Muslims (submitters) have attempted to make non-Muslims "submit" to the absurd assertion of Mohammad's.
In his Sirah, Muhammad bin Ishaq bin Yasar said, "When the Messenger of Allah reached thirty-five years of age, the Quraysh gathered to rebuild the Ka`bah, this included covering it with a roof. However, they were weary of demolishing it. During that time, the Ka`bah was barely above a man's shoulder, so they wanted to raise its height and build a ceiling on top. Some people had stolen the Ka`bah's treasure beforehand,
the treasure referred to here is the black stone of the Kabba.
which used to be in a well in the middle of the Ka`bah. The treasure was later found with a man called, Duwayk, a freed servant of Bani Mulayh bin `Amr, from the tribe of Khuza`ah. The Quraysh cut off his hand as punishment.
The cutting off of hands, is clearly an Arab pagan law, or a custom.
Now it's codified in the prophet Mohammad's laws of 'allah'.. known as sharia law.
Some people claimed that those who actually stole the treasure left it with Duwayk.
Afterwards, the sea brought a ship that belonged to a Roman merchant to the shores of Jeddah, where it washed-up. So they collected the ship's wood to use it for the Ka`bah's ceiling; a Coptic carpenter in Makkah prepared what they needed for the job. When they decided to begin the demolition process to rebuild the House, AbuWahb bin `Amr bin `A'idh bin `Abd bin `Imran bin Makhzum took a stone from the Ka`bah; the stone slipped from his hand and went back to where it had been. He said, `O people of Quraysh! Do not spend on rebuilding the House, except from what was earned from pure sources. No money earned from a prostitute, usury or injustice should be included.'''IbnIshaq commented here that the people also attribute these words to Al-Walid bin Al-Mughirah bin `Abdullah bin `Amr bin Makhzum.
IbnIshaq continued, "The Quraysh began to organize their efforts to rebuild the Ka`bah, each subtribe taking the responsibility of rebuilding a designated part of it.
However, they were still weary about bringing down the Ka`bah. Al-Walid bin Al-Mughirah said, `I will start to bring it down.' He held an ax and stood by the Ka`bah and said, `O Allah!
The Kabba is the house of the Pagan Deitys or gods , and here the greater one, it's called "allah" in this instance. it's "Akbar" or greater than the other idols.
No harm is meant. O Allah! We only seek to do a good service.'
At this particular time in history, Mohammad is not yet the prophet of Islam, he and everybody else living in Mekka are pagans, who only know of pagan gods. There has yet to have been a "revelation" claimed by Mohammad, it will not come for another five years. And we see, Al-Walid bin Al-Mughirah, begging 'allah's' forgiveness, because he is about to strike the house of 'allah' with an ax, and does not want to anger 'allah', who at this time, is a pagan deity. The Kabba is still now, the house of 'allah', and the black stone is still residing there.
He then started to chop the House's stones. The people waited that night and said, `We will wait and see. If something strikes him, we will not bring it down and instead rebuid it the way it was.
If nothing happens to him, then Allah will have agreed to what we are doing.'
'allah' is the "top stone" the big dog, head honcho, main man," Allah is "Akbar" or Greater than, the other idols
we find no mention of the other 359 idols housed within the walls of the Kabba.
The next morning, Al-Walid went to work on the Ka`bah, and the people started bringing the Ka`bah down with him. When they reached the foundations that Ibrahim built, they uncovered green stones that were above each other, just like a pile of spears.''IbnIshaq then said that some people told him, "A man from Quraysh, who was helping rebuild the Ka`bah, placed the shovel between two of these stones to pull them up; when one of the stones was moved, all of Makkah shook, so they did not dig up these stones.''
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=305 (click next to turn the page)
IbnIshaq said, "The tribes of Quraysh collected stones to rebuild the House, each tribe collecting on their own. They started rebuilding it, until the rebuilding of the Ka`bah reached the point where the Black Stone was to be placed in its designated site.
The corner of the Kabba (where it can be found today)
A dispute erupted between the various tribes of Quraysh, each seeking the honor of placing the Black Stone for their own tribe.
Mohammad, is from a clan of the Quraysh tribe, the highest deity of the tribe is clearly a black stone.This black stone is a pagan Deity.
The dispute almost led to violence between the leaders of Quraysh in the area of the Sacred House. Banu`Abd Ad-Dar and Banu`Adi bin Ka`b bin Lu'ay, gave their mutual pledge to fight until death.
fighting to the death over the honor (supremacy ) of a black stone, is still on going in the conteporary world today. Open a newspaper.
However, five or four days later, Abu Umayyah bin Al-Mughirah bin `Abdullah bin `Amr bin Makhzum, the oldest man from Quraysh then intervened at the right moment. AbuUmayyah suggested that Quraysh should appoint the first man to enter the House from its entrance to be a mediator between them. They agreed.
The Messenger - Muhammad - was the first person to enter the House. When the various leaders of Quraysh realized who the first one was, they all proclaimed, `This is Al-Amin (the Honest one). We all accept him; This is Muhammad.' When the Prophet reached the area where the leaders were gathering and they informed him about their dispute, he asked them to bring a garment and place it on the ground. He placed the Black Stone on it.
Mohammad shows great reverence to the stone, and treats it with respect, the black stone is an object of worship. It most have been a great honor to be "in-trusted" with the placement of his family's scared idol. The black stone was the most revered object of worship at this time and place. Mekka, 5 years before Mohammad became a prophet.
He then requested that each of the leaders of Quraysh hold the garment from one side and all participate in lifting the Black Stone, moving it to its designated area. Next, the Prophet carried the Black Stone by himself and placed it in its designated position and built around it. The Quraysh used to call the Messenger of Allah `Al-Amin' even before the revelation came to him.''
Al-Amin. trustworthy in Arabic, Mohammad was "in trusted" with the well being of the black stone, making sure no harm came to it. He was certainly the man for the job, as now the black stone is still the main (only) attraction in the Kabba, the "lowly" tribal deity of the Quraysh tribe, is now what Mohammad wanted, it's the only idol worshiped in the Kabba. The "jinn" of his pagan father most have been so proud, after all, his name was slave of allah (Abdullah)
The undeniable truth we find in this fafsir, is that in Mekka, before the "real god" revealed itself. The Kabba was the home of many idols, but there was one idol ( the black stone) considered by the Mekkian pagans as, Greater, than the other idols (allah-Akbar) "allah" was Greater, and is now still, Greater.
allah is Akbar, then, as it is now.
Now this text, is a clear indictment, of any claim to Monotheism, connected with 'allah' or the Kabba. There are pagan ritualistic practices associated with a black stone, worshiped by pagan Arabs, that entail ciricling the Kabba, shaving their head ,running between two hills located in Mekka, and the kissing and praising the attributes of their "idol stone" of devotion.(found in the collection of hadiths )
How do you possibly explain this to your Jewish neighbours, that you are attempting to convince, that you in fact share a common, mutual, concept of G*d, together in fraternal monotheistic brotherhood. That is going to be tricky, for sure. But the prophet had an answer, as long as that answer is not closely examined.
And how do you explain to your pagan brothers, that you are getting rid of idols because monotheism is the only true faith, and leave the idol of your family standing triumphantly alone at the Kabba. He turns to the bible for an answer, but he gets the story wrong, to his advantage of course. He is after all, attempting to transform 'allah' in to the G*d of the universe. Mohammad needs a good reason to break all of the idols but one.His, the 'allah' idol.
(57. "And by Allah, I shall plot a plan for your idols after you have gone away and turned your backs.'') (58. So he broke them to pieces, except the biggest of them, that they might turn to it.)
here is the important thing to remember, Abraham never worshiped the idol he left standing before this time or place, nor, did he acknowledge it later, as an object of worship. As far as I know, the name of the idol he did not break ,was so insignificant to Jewish tradition, that the name itself, has been lost in the mists of history.
(59. They said: "Who has done this to our gods He must indeed be one of the wrongdoers.'') (60. They said: "We heard a young man talking against them, who is called Ibrahim.'') (61. They said: "Then bring him before the eyes of the people, that they may testify.'') (62. They said: "Are you the one who has done this to our gods, O Ibrahim'') (63. He said: "Nay, this one, the biggest of them did it. Ask them, if they can speak!'')
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2638&Itemid=76#1
Here is the Jewish version of the Islamic text above.
THE PREACHER OF THE TRUE FAITH
When Abraham attained the age of twenty years, his father Terah fell ill. He spoke as follows to his sons Haran and Abraham, "I adjure you by your lives, my sons, sell these two idols for me, for I have not enough money to meet our expenses." Haran executed the wish of his father, but if any one accosted Abraham, to buy an idol from him, and asked him the price, he would answer, "Three manehs," and then question in turn, "How old art thou?" "Thirty years," the reply would be. "Thou art thirty years of age, and yet thou wouldst worship this idol which I made but to-day?" The man would depart and go his way, and another would approach Abraham, and ask, "How much is this idol?" and "Five manehs" would be the reply, and again Abraham would put the question, "How old art thou?"--"Fifty years."--"And dost thou who art fifty years of age bow down before this idol which was made but to-day?" Thereupon the man would depart and go his way. Abraham then took two idols, put a rope about their necks, and, with their faces turned downward, he dragged them along the ground, crying aloud all the time: "Who will buy an idol wherein there is no profit, either unto itself or unto him that buys it in order to worship it?
The Patriarch of the Jewish faith (monotheism) seems to greatly disrespect any and all idols.
It has a mouth, but it speaketh not; eyes, but it seeth not; feet, but it walketh not; ears, but it heareth not."
The people who heard Abraham were amazed exceedingly at his words. As he went through the streets, he met an old woman who approached him with the purpose of buying an idol, good and big, to be worshipped and loved. "Old woman, old woman," said Abraham, "I know no profit therein, either in the big ones or in the little ones, either unto themselves or unto others. And," he continued to speak to her, "what has become of the big image thou didst buy from my brother Haran, to worship it?" "Thieves," she replied, "came in the night and stole it, while I was still at the bath." "If it be thus," Abraham went on questioning her, "how canst thou pay homage to an idol that cannot save itself from thieves, let alone save others, like thyself, thou silly old woman, out of misfortune? How is it possible for thee to say that the image thou worshippest is a god? If it be a god, why did it not save itself out of the hands of those thieves? Nay, in the idol there is no profit, either unto itself or unto him that adores it."[26]
The old woman rejoined, "If what thou sayest be true, whom shall I serve?" "Serve the God of all gods," returned Abraham, "the Lord of lords, who hath created heaven and earth, the sea and all therein--the God of Nimrod and the God of Terah, the God of the east, the west, the south, and the north. Who is Nimrod, the dog, who calleth himself a god, that worship be offered unto him?"
Abraham succeeded in opening the eyes of the old woman, and she became a zealous missionary for the true God. When she discovered the thieves who had carried off her idol, and they restored it to her, she broke it in pieces with a stone, and as she wended her way through the streets, she cried aloud, "Who would save his soul from destruction, and be prosperous in all his doings, let him serve the God of Abraham." Thus she converted many men and women to the true belief.
Rumors of the words and deeds of the old woman reached the king, and he sent for her. When she appeared before him, he rebuked her harshly, asking her how she dared serve any god but himself. The old woman replied: "Thou art a liar, thou deniest the essence of faith, the One Only God, beside whom there is no other god. Thou livest upon His bounty, but thou payest worship to another, and thou dost repudiate Him, and His teachings, and Abraham His servant."
The old woman had to pay for her zeal for the faith with her life. Nevertheless great fear and terror took possession of Nimrod, because the people became more and more attached to the teachings of Abraham, and he knew not how to deal with the man who was undermining the old faith. At the advice of his princes, he arranged a seven days' festival, at which all the people were bidden to appear in their robes of state, their gold and silver apparel. By such display of wealth and power he expected to intimidate Abraham and bring him back to the faith of the king. Through his father Terah, Nimrod invited Abraham to come before him, that he might have the opportunity of seeing his greatness and wealth, and the glory of his dominion, and the multitude of his princes and attendants. But Abraham refused to appear before the king. On the other hand, he granted his father's request that in his absence he sit by his idols and the king's, and take care of them.
Alone with the idols, and while he repeated the words, "The Eternal He is God, the Eternal He is God!" he struck the king's idols from their thrones, and began to belabor them with an axe.
The King's idols, Abraham in this text, acknowledges no idols.
With the biggest he started, and with the smallest he ended. He hacked off the feet of one, and the other he beheaded. This one had his eyes struck out, the other had his hands crushed.[27] After all were mutilated, he went away, having first put the axe into the hand of the largest idol.
Why not break that one. was he trying to elevate the status of the idol he left standing ? To promote it, above the other idols ?
The feast ended, the king returned, and when he saw all his idols shivered in pieces, he inquired who had perpetrated the mischief. Abraham was named as the one who had been guilty of the outrage, and the king summoned him and questioned him as to his motive for the deed.
Abraham replied: "I did not do it; it was the largest of the idols who shattered all the rest.
so, Abraham left the bigger or the "Akbar" (greater) idol alone to make a point, about the inanimate nature of idols. Because even the King knows in his heart, that the bigger idol, did not shatter the little ones.
As I read it, Abraham, had no personal connection to the idol, never gave a shit what happened to the idol after he shatter the other ones.
Remember, Abraham, had no political power,and was therefore at the mercy of the King when he committed his act. Mohammad broke the other 359 idols after he had supreme power in Arabia, and was an unquestionable theocratic dictator with the habit of having those who did not submit to his requests, beheaded hundreds at a time. Mohammad faced no consequences for breaking all the idols of the Kabba save for one.
Seest thou not that he still has the axe in his hand? And if thou wilt not believe my words, ask him and he will tell thee."
IN THE FIERY FURNACE
Now the king was exceedingly wroth at Abraham, and ordered him to be cast into prison, where he commanded the warden not to give him bread or water.[28]
http://philologos.org/__eb-lotj/vol1/five1.htm
As an Irish monotheistic pagan, I have been instructed that until I meet G*d, personally meet "it", that to make a claim on , Who G*d is, or what it wants , is in fact, a logical insanity. Humans on this earth are completely incapable of understanding the concept of something so other worldly or different form themselves.
But as a pagan, I do keep trying.